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Intro An important election is coming up and we've got the candidates. I'm Jim Drastic. I'm Tiffany Drastic. And today on the Dangerous Ones, we've got a powerhouse lineup. Lisa Anne Walter, star of ABC smash hit Abbott Elementary. Jolie Fiser, Golden Globe nominee for her role on the groundbreaking sitcom Ellen. And David Jolip, who played Bernie on the Emmy award-winning iconic 70s series Room 222. Why are they here? because they are fighters. Each of them has spent years on the front lines ensuring SAG AFRA, the union representing over 160,000 actors, performers, and media professionals, protects members' wages, rights, and dignity. And now with real threats like artificial intelligence reshaping the industry, diluting contracts, replacing likenesses, and undermining creative control, they're back on the ballot running once again in the union's upcoming election. Ladies and gentlemen, it is our pleasure to welcome to the Dangerous Ones Lisa and Walter, Jolie Fischer, and David Jolive. Friends, welcome. Thanks so much for coming in, you guys. Welcome you guys. for having us. You bet. You guys are the dynamic duo. You've been doing the the right thing for as long as the internet has been a thing. Well, thank you. Well, you're proud to do it and we're proud to be friends with you guys. And first, since everyone on the show today is running for local uh Los Angeles office, let's start there and then we'll move on to what's going on nationally. Great. Jolie, let's start with you. Uh you're coming off a successful term as national secretary treasurer, which is an incredible responsibility, and now you're running for Los Angeles local president. What are some of the challenges that you see facing the local uh in the next term? And where would you direct your attention if elected? Okay. Wow. Um well it has been my honor Legacy SAG to serve for two terms um alongside President Dresser who um really like let me have um my autonomy in running uh the financial solveny of our giant organization and we had incredible uh returns on investments and the crown jewel. Um, we were able to purchase for the first time for this union a national headquarters that is an insane building that it has a covered parking lot and an annex lot where we can build the theater of our dreams. Oh my god. Oh, I'm so excited for you guys. It's been so long. Yes. My mom, Connie Stevens, was the secretary treasurer of Legacy SAG years ago and she was like, "This union doesn't own a building. We keep renting building." So, um, so yay. I'm super excited about having that happen. And what I discovered in my relationships with um elected uh leaders, our governor and our mayor and and and people that serve in our house and and senate um that we need I needed to turn my razor sharp focus back to my hometown. And so Los Angeles is I'm an Angelino. Um, we have suffered through like the rest of the world a global health crisis and the the prolonged work stoppage with the strikes and then fires and floods and cue the locusts. Um, but I have I I'm you know I I want to see Hollywood be Hollywood again and the and the and we've had runaway production for for over a decade, right guys? And um you know we should be um comparable like our incentives and our taxes should be comparable to it. It's too hard to to raise a family or buy property or stay in this very expensive state if you're not working. So that's my plan is to bring production back to Los Angeles and to this country and um and do it with these um relationships that I've really fermented. Fantastic. Yeah. And this, you know, us here on uh the Dangerous Ones, fans of the show already know this, but Tiff and I are both uh union or exUN members, I should say. She was in the IW and I was a Teamster for 13 years. I'm a vested teamster, so we are a big fan of unions on this show. Um uh so this is fantastic. And I know you had a question as well, too. I did. I had a follow-up for Julie. During the 2023 strike, you were out on No Fakes Act the front lines, all of you guys, and I appreciate that so much. Um, as co-chair of government affairs and public policy, you joined Lisa Anne in Washington DC with executive vice president Linda Powell to push for the No Fakes Act, which would protect voices and likenesses from unauthorized use in deep fakes and synthetic media. So, I was wondering if you could delve in a little bit about AI and the threats of it and what it does for working actors. Well, we definitely struck for the existential threat of um of AI and trying to put guard rails and rules and restrictions um for consent and compensation for anytime our our image or likeness or body movement or anything is used. And we got pretty far. It was like in the 11th hour. I slipped this in because I literally it was 11:07 and I ran down to the parking lot to have a Zoom call with some famous people who I said we're about to sign this deal and we do not have the AI language that we need to close this up and we did get it and I was very proud to sort of do that jiu-jitsu back channeling. I'm doing it all the time in government affairs and public policy with my relationships and and but we need we need federal laws. We need state laws. We need all the things. And um I think that it there's an appetite um on both sides of the aisle to protect I hope that there is um to protect us from this. And we as performers and now just we as humans, we as a mother of three daughters, I want to be able to for them to feel safe and and secure in the world that their images are not being used. And we we represent broadcasters. I mean, it's it's coming down the pike. So, I'm going to continue to uh Lisa, we had a great time doing it, you know, but we were and we were so wellreceived there. They a lot of pictures and what Jolie said, I know she stayed longer than me because I had to get back for work, but she stayed a whole extra day and met with 20 more people. My god, my feet have never Listen, I grew up in DC. I know what Congress is like. I know about all the different buildings, but when you're walking them back and forth to try to make a 2:00 and then at 3:00 and you're in heels, let me tell you something work. I need a scooter. But um I think what was interesting was that it is I mean obviously we're concerned about our members and the future of you know I I remember we were sitting in what we call the the Kagney which is a big room where we have our board meetings in LA and somebody came in from a um C what's it called CES in in Vegas where they talk about the new technology and they were all excited. David, you remember they were all like, "Oh, there's this new thing and all they have to do is like record one person and they can use it to make Oh my god. And I remember jumping up to the mic to be the first one to say, "What are you so excited about?" Yeah. My goodness. about putting us the every ad will be voiced by robot James Earl Jones. Yeah. And the rest of us will be, you know, saying fries are up. Well, you really are the canary in the coal mine, guys, because it's going to be every industry. Well, that's the point was that when we were there, one of the things that was discussed was the fact that looming very soon in our very near future is an estimate of was it 28% of the jobs and I mean within a few years, not sometime in the future when it's Terminator, but like 28% of the jobs go away because of AI. Oh my god. Luckily, as Jolie said, there was interest across the board. Now, I'm not so naive as to think that it's not self-interest because both sides of the boards in politics are like, "Well, how are they going to put make me look like I'm saying something that I didn't say? How are they going to put me in a in a sure next to a hooker or an alleged an alleged sex worker, right? Like, you know what I mean? Like so there's a self-interest piece of it, but I think we were very successful and Jolie was, you know, followed up in um Sacramento and Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to uh toss it to David. You wear a lot of hats, right? Negotiating committee member, LA second The Encyclopedia of SAG Contracts vice president, longtime national board member, and Jodie Long has called you the encyclopedia of the SAG contracts. So now that we've sort of outside looking in, it feels like especially the work that we've done uh as 11 films and membership first and really bringing a lot of awareness to what the union has lost. 2025 feels like and I'm just going to manifest it that finally the union is going to be in the hands of some working actors who give a [ __ ] about the rest of the working actors in the union. Okay. Okay. And your union is full of people. Well, the bulk of people in your union make less than 27,000 a year, right? What's the most pressing issue, not only for the local LA chapter, but nationally for your members? Well, f first of all, I hope that we all recognize the two powerful women that I get to run with for president and for these two vice president slots. Um, there's a lot to accomplish. Um, uh, one thing that has has really upset me is what happened in the health plan to our senior performers. and I'm now a trustee of the health and pension plan, Tiffany. And um uh I can now sit in there and bring a different perspective into that group. I am uh hopeful that things are going to change when it comes to that. That was a big betrayal that happened to senior performers when they were pro they were promised that if they put in 20 years and they got to 65 that they would have secondary insurance that they could pay for through the union and that was taken away from 8,200 people. I'm sorry David I am so sorry to jump in but what really upset me and I think Tiffany you were upset too there were people that gave up all future residuals for movies made before 1960 people that we all love that are icons in this business like Shirley Jones who I was I just I just sat Saturday I had lunch with Shirley and and they took she she said take my money set this up for everybody because I am for this union giving pension and health to as many members as possible and they took it from her. When you when you think when you think that someone like Shirley gave away television residuals for Carousel, The Music Man, Oklahoma, and uh all of those residuals for every movie made prior to 1960 were given away in lie of the studios funding and seeding a health and pension plan in 1960 for SAG members. Oh my gosh. And those people those people were betrayed. Um, so listen with Jolie and Lisa Anne and and and with myself and the slate of candidates that we have here in Los Angeles, you know, somebody said something about, you know, not [ __ ] around. We're not [ __ ] around. Yeah, we're not here to cause chaos. We're here to find solutions and to fix these problems. We have streaming residual issues we need to fix. We have AI that needs to be addressed where the where we have enough firewall, you know, firewalls up around that so that our business is protected. and it is all in everyone's self-interest to keep this business alive. I'm really excited about this. Um, we're going to be going into this next TV theatrical negotiation. We're going to be putting a team together that is going to be a strong, vibrant team, but we also realize that our responsibility is to make sure that we're not hobbyists, that we're working as professionals, but also that the studios can work with us so that business stays in Los Angeles. Also, listen, we're Los Angeles ccentric, but we're also national board members. We want to make sure work stays in in in uh in the United States of America. But uh but LA has taken a huge hit, and we feel very responsible to make sure that that business comes back here. I swear when uh Tiffany and I were doing uh the videos uh for SAG uh o over the Residuals over the years, she would get off the phone with Lisa or something like that and she'd go, "Wait until you hear this fresh hell. that they're doing to these people. And she told me about the residuals and all this stuff and the healthcare. And then you see Sharon Stone, I believe, saying, "I missed it by 13 bucks or whatever it was." And you're going, "This is insanity." And Edner leaning back in his chair going wild. Oh my god. And the gym. You cannot you cannot have people making contributions on their residuals going into the health plan and they're over 65 and consider then that they're retired and not count those contributions that are being made. Um, so I can only tell you as a trustee now that I'm bringing a perspective into that room that you cannot take people's contributions and not count them for a benefit if they hit the thresholds, the earnings threshold. So, just know that all of us, the three that you're looking at here and the other 20 and the other 100 and the other 500 and the other 80,000 members in Los Angeles are behind us to make sure that this is remedied. You can you cannot treat people like this. You can't take their money and just say, "Oh, yeah, we took your money. We're not going to give you a benefit for it." Funs everybody else. And also, by the way, the the rule is that they can only count session work, which if you're not in the union, and I'm speaking to people who might not know, that's saying, "Thank you for a a lifelong contribution that short everybody else up now. Oh, I'm sorry. You're 85 and you can't go out and pound the pavement and look for an acting gig. You can't be on a set for 16 hours. Tough luck. You don't get benefit from this insurance." It is it is untenable. It's it's it's unbelievable. And a point in life where that's what you need is more support. And we're and we're also, you know, we all three of us come from a period and you're talking about legacy SAG where our insurance was the envy of not just the entertainment business, but I would talk to other people in other unions and talk about I my insurance is fantastic. like it was so good. It was a reasonable premium. The coverage was enormous and then it started to get I think probably like everybody's more premium less coverage more premium less things you know you had to go out and fight for everything and it became more and more of that uh since merger to where you know I tell you one thing that I'm going to fight for. Sorry you didn't ask me a question but that's all right. This is one of the biggest reasons and we all know this. Why do you join a union? So you can go to the meetings. No, you union so that you can have help and especially in our business some money coming in later on in your life when you're not booking work and you need that help. That's what why residuals exist, right? Mhm. So, one of the things that I looked at and I heard this from a number of people is that this is just one example, but I had friends that wanted to get IVF and they are a a gay male married couple and it wasn't covered. And I was like, why not? I I know. I was talking to someone else about getting their IVF covered. What's covered if you're a woman, but not if you're a man. And I went an hour unit, right? So, I just get ready, David, because listen, I'm going to sit here and go, I want this to happen and this to happen and then no, I get on the phone and I text David Jolif and go, how do I make this happen? Which I did for another health issue. You know this, Tiffany, back when we saw the heartbeat laws going all over the country, right? Yeah, it was like this is I I can't watch my union sisters going into states that are tantamount to a war zone where they might not be able to get life-saving reproductive care or a morning after pill or birth control and they don't know. They take a job. They go into a state where the laws are different from where they live and have no idea. So, I brought it up at convention. We were able to put an interactive map from Planned Parenthood that kept up with the laws as they changed to the minute. We can't do it as a union, but we can bring in other groups. And since I won a million bucks for them on Jeopardy. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Little quid pro. No, not quit pro quote. That's not legal. Um, something else that I wanted to mention in in safety. So if you are lucky enough Intimacy coordinators to to get a job and to be working that you should be safe your physical person on a set and also um fear of retaliation is stuff that's happening right now and we were approached by different um different groups of uh you know who are who are marginalized and and especially in today's world where we aren't safe to walk out on the street in a lot of places and um so I I would love to focus on that a bit more the safety of our members out the world and on sets. And we just recently made um intimacy coordinators a category. They are they are a a full category in the union covered with all their benefits and all their things. And that's an important position now that's uh not mandatory, right? Because there aren't enough of them yet, but they are in the deal. they're in our deal um to protect members who are working in sort of hyper nudity or sexual situations um uh on on television and film. So that's another thing that we're really excited about putting pushing forward. Background artists were not given warning if they were going to show up on set and be asked to strip down. That's right. So my grandkids might see me be in an orgy scene. I don't know if I want to do this work. You're afraid you're not going to get called again. So there were things like that that we fought for and won and and that are super important. You don't think about it unless you're in the situation, but that's why we're doing it. Listen, I have a dream job. I love my job. I'm so lucky to have it. But it was a minute ago when I was calling a friend of mine who was a producer and saying, "Give me a day's work so I can make my insurance for myself and my four children." And this is why we do this work for people who can't negotiate their contracts. Absolutely. And and Jim, can I just say too that we're just the tip of the spear. I want to make sure that you know that there are 45 other board candidates in Hollywood behind us. We have Sean Aston running for the national president and Michelle Herd for our secretary treasur uh which was Jolie's job. And we have an army of people behind us that are all like-minded. We have found a way to bring ourselves together to coalesce around key issues where there is no air between us. So this is a first that I've witnessed in 30 years. And I think with Jolie's leadership in the LA presidency and Sean's as the national presidency and that you know the tornado that is Lisa Anne Walter and and uh and Michelle that u I'm very very uh enthusiastic about what's ahead of us and I'm very confident that um that we're going to move forward in a very responsible but effective way. Um I love these two women so much. They have done so much for our union and um and we're really I'm really excited. I'm really excited. Thank David. Well, I wanted to ask you know David, I was curious and I assume all of you have been in the negotiating room when these contracts happen. Is that true? Yes. Yeah. I've negotiated 10 of them and been on 30 negotiating committees. When I was in the teen series, I was on the negotiating committee and I remember Negotiations and I and I loved loved my company. I loved the owners of my company. They got their hands dirty just just like we did. They worked extremely hard. But I'll tell you what, the second we sat across from them in that hotel room, it was a whole different story. And they they had a list of reasons why we didn't deserve X, Y, and Z. So, I'm here to tell you, if you can hear my v voice, folks, you need fighters for you. How has it been? What has been your experience uh from the industry when you are negotiating? Tell them David girls I was going to have it. Listen uh some you know people can smell um you know I don't want to say smell fear but they can see from past history. They can smell weakness. Yes. They can smell the weakness and and we and we gave it to them for years, decades by accepting bad deals and thanking them for it. So that that era is done. But we want we want the studios to know and also the commercial producers when we do that contract and all of our other you know uh ancillary contracts down the line that we are here to work with you. We're not We're here though to protect our members and to make fair deals. The days of SAG and after and SAG after rolling over and saying, "Thank you, sir. Can I have a number another?" Those days are gone. But that doesn't mean that we're striden ass wipes that are going to, you know, hold out and cross our arms and just say, "Nen, nenie." Um, we're I was striding ass. I knew that was coming for me. I knew that was coming. Yeah. So, so you know, we are responsible human beings, but we're also we do this for a living. We've all done it for a very long time. We have a team of working performers behind us, especially background actors. They have a strong advocacy in our group. Singers, dancers, they're all performers, stunts. Exactly. They're all there. And um and we're going to start what's uh our our WW process that Jolie and I are going to lead here in Los Angeles. WW stands for wages and working conditions where we're going to hold in person every Monday, Wednesday, every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday from 10 to 1 in the Kagney room and on Zoom. You're going to be there and we want and we want hundreds of people to Yes, you are, Vice President Walter. And then we're going to have uh we want hundreds of people there because we want to hear what's on your mind and what what you can what you can tolerate as far as where we don't need to fight but where the lines need to be drawn and how we can build on the gains that we have. Like we need to go in there and just say this is what we got here. We're we wrote a few new pages as Fran likes to say, but like we we're here. We got to just keep building. The greatest arrow we have in our quiver is labor peace. It's not it's not trading things you know we traded away syndication residuals uh you know and and and compromise syndication residuals by 90% you know we we and and more and more do we keep giving it's not a trade we are here to build on what we have and what we are giving you is labor peace and a great workforce that can show up know their words hit their marks get 10 pages of television done in a day and get the [ __ ] out and here's Something that's really important too, what people, if you're not in the business, what's important to remember is, you know, there is outside of the business an an erroneous uh conception that everybody's rich in this business. Everybody is a millionaire. I saw you in a movie. Your parent trap plays three times a day. How are you not sitting on a pile of, you know, goldplated Trump money? And I'm telling you that not how I wish that's how by the way Lisa you you you were fabulous in that. Thank you. You were there is a but with every with every new contract when it was VHS it was great. They gave me a check that year and I'm like I can afford to pay for my kids school. I still have two two kids going to college as I know you guys are are dealing with too. I still have two kids in. So when you went from VHS to the DVD formula, they were like, well, we don't know if anybody's going to buy DVDs, so how about we give you one/8 of the money? And our our side went, okay, I cannot believe that. Even from back then before I was involved in the union, I was like, why don't we do the same deal and then if it makes money, we make money and so do you. If it doesn't make money, nobody makes money. Like that made sense to me. But every time we go to cable, deals worse. We go to streaming, even worse. So all of these people that are making less money and put on top of that the threat of AI which they try to get away with saying how about we only use this many background and then we digitize the rest. Well remember this Mr. and Mrs. America, when they do away with that, they do away with the makeup artist and the caterer and the dry cleaner and the teamsters that have to drive these people and all of the other departments that support the business and then this incredible economy that we have here in California and then all of a sudden that starts to tank. So that's what we're talking about. It is not trying to get more money for Brad Pitt, right? Yeah. They're doing great. They're handsome and rich. They're fine. Right. Well, let me let me ask you this because Sean Aston I want to get your guys's take on uh the folks that are running nationally. Sean Aston is running for national president. Uh, everybody listening knows Shawn Aston from iconic roles as Lord of the Rings, The Goonies, Rudy, and obviously Stranger Things, and countless others. But what they may not know is Sean Aston, the person and his character. Could you could you folks speak on that? Sean Aston is an amazing human being, and I've grown over the years to really love him and understand that he has this union, and his heart is in his blood. His mother, Patty Duke, was the president of SAG. Yeah. I've never seen in my 30 years anyone, let alone someone running for president, who has jumped in and participated in the way Sean Aston has. He was with me uh when I did the animation negotiation. He did the Netflix negotiation with us. He was on the TV theatrical negotiating committee. We did uh uh uh we commercials, brought him in on commercials where he shifted his entire schedule. We negotiate that contract in New York and it was 60 straight days and he was there for 30 or 40 of them in person. Wow. And the other times he somehow got on an airplane and tricked the plane Wi-Fi to get him on Zoom. They're still trying to figure out how he did that. Perfect. To do that, he he does it. He does it. Al also one other thing that people may absolutely not know is that in all of the the strife and struggles and and that all of our members have gone through um uh the past decade, whatever, however long it is, that Shawn and I formed a mental health uh committee and um really we went to Lisa came with me to that as I went to the White House to talk about um uh the consistency and authenticity of storytelling of mental health which is basically every story. It's love stories. It's stories of you know to make sure that we were properly um portraying that in in in what we were putting out there and also to take care of people who were really really hurting post the pandi and um and obviously I'm going to start saying that. How was your pandy? Pandy Pandy. Um and then during the strike which we noticed people on the strike line fatigue where we were like are we really what are we really fighting for? And I think we formed Zoom calls where people could come in and talk about devastation and loss in the in the in the wake of the fire. And um so we just it's something that he and I um we have mental health challenges in our bloodstream in family members that you know suffered from different things and and I think we recognize that in um in people suffering and we so we formed a mental health committee and um and do try to take care of our family out there. He he seems like one of those guys like you know even through the screen you're like that's a good guy you just yo Michelle Herd that's a good guy you know what I mean? Yes. you know, um, like I'm not gonna cross the street when I see him coming. I'm gonna He can sit and talk to my daughter in a coffee shop. You betcha. You know, also Michelle Herd is running. She's running for the uh national secretary treasurer. She's uh going to try to take uh the seat you're vacating uh Jolie. Can you talk a little bit about her? Well, you know, she and I are really good friends and we all have served as well with the with the other people on the screen in these boxes um on the national board together and she's committes as well. Many committees, sexual harassment and or antisexual harassment and one of the people that helped um get the Crown Act passed and and for women with textured hair to not be discriminated against. She does a lot of stuff. She's committee and and I think that I'm going to stay with the finance committee per hopefully Sean has has agreed to that and and walk her through like what we have been able to accomplish. you know, the financial tell how the building's doing. The building's amazing. I did start with the building, but uh yeah, in 2028, it's income producing, by the way. We have two tenants. And when they vacate, we will go in and and make it our own. And we have that lot where we're going to make a beautiful um theater and and other like ancillary offices and things like that. And um it's grown in value, which is uh amazing. um the the three parcels and um and uh and worth and um we're just excited about like and you know bringing her into the fold and and have and having her be in charge. Now the great the great thing about the building is that we were so frustrated that we were paying and we and it was $6 million a year in LA alone rent. Oh my god. And it was making us crazy. We found this building. We got it at a great value. It's a 120,000 square foot building with only two tenants. So this building could we could have 50 tenants and we're chasing each one every month. There's only two people. There's somebody who has the first floor and somebody else has floors two, three, and four. They pay their rent on time. The thing is making us netting us netting us millions of dollars a year in profit. We have this acre lot on Laurel Canyon at Chandler. Nice. Where that that is that has quadrupled in value in the last three years. Quadruple. Wow. Over four times what we paid for. And the parking lot has they have a 300 They have a fourstory 300 parking spot garage on the other side of the street. And on the other side of that street is the orange line, the metro link. So perfect. It's a it's an unbelievable spot. We felt very fortunate to to to get this building. And for those of us who were who were going crazy like a mad hatter writing a $500,000 a month check for rent. Oh my god. Since the '9s, this is uh I thank you, Jolie, and also Jolie's mom, Connie, cuz I was by her side then, too, when we started fighting for this. But Jolie [ __ ] pulled it off and she Hey, and now you guys are going to have spaces to make uh self-taping studios, right? I had heard you guys talking about that a little self tape and and a and a dance studio and a great commissary kind of vibe with healthy food and our boardroom because our members need to be able to feel that like they belong somewhere and I think we've been you know the SAG after plaza is fancy and and you know we have our Kagney boardroom and all that but this will be ours that we own and we can make it what we want it to be. Um, and it's just it's really I I'm I definitely want to see that to fruition myself to be on that. And you know, Jolie did an amazing job uh along with Ariana Zanto, who's our who's our uh financial officer. We did a density uh flowchart on where all of our members live. The majority and staff the majority of our members and staff live within a few mile radius of this new building as opposed to Fairfax and Wilshire which did not have the same kind of density. Right around the corner dinosaur bone cuz that's right that's right with the tar the tar pit. All I'm saying is that ever since Marie calendar closed there is no reason to be over there. My good. Well, listen. I Outro know we're up against it a little bit on on time. Um, but I wanted Did we go over Did we go to quote your book and everything? Oh, she she had a quote from the stole it. The book writer, you do the quote and I'll shut up cuz I got to go to work. No, you got to go. Okay, go ahead. This is about Hold up your book. Hey, he has it. Okay. This is about being a girl's girl. Why not be our own best friends? Why not treat strangers like you would treat your best friend or your sister? Instead of making fun of the poor girl with toilet paper stuck to her high heels, stomp on it for her so she's free of it. She'll thank you. Thank you. That's why I love you guys. Girls are really hard to find out here. And it's just it's really encouraging. And you and David and Sean, you guys are so authentic. And I know I'm not in the union, but every time I talk to you guys, every time I see you guys, I know that your members are in the best hands that they've been in in years. And I cannot thank you all for just having the balls to keep fighting every single day cuz it's hard out here. Super genuine. Thanks, Tiff. Thanks, Tiff. I love you guys. We love you. We love you unionist. You're the You're your unionist and unionist lovers. So, we appreciate it. That's right, everybody. Go to the coalition2025.org. Check it out. We were on it today. It's fantastic. And uh real quick, the ballots have gone out. Yes, today. Yes, ballots are out, guys. get those back in. Mail those ballots back in. When do they have to have them in by? We want the ballots back by September 8th. The ballots are picked up and counted on September 13th. So to make sure that they are in in time September 8th. If you live in Los Angeles, you can walk them into the post office. Don't wait till the last minute. We're already Liberty Jibbit artists. Don't wait till the last minute. When you get the ballot, fill it out right then. It's long as David says it's a pain in the ass, but if you do it right away and get it out, then you won't forget it. And the most important thing about being an involved union member is actually start with voting. Start there. And then after that, you have the right to complain. If you don't vote, shut up. It it again go to the coalition2025.org, folks. You should be voting for these folks on the screen. We have been incredibly fortunate to call them our friends and to uh be part of this uh of this movement. Again, thank you to our guests Lisa Anne and Walter, Jolie Fischer, and David Joliff. Thank you guys. Honestly, thank you. Thanks you guys. You love you so much. Love you, too. Love you. Bye.

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